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all right

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welcome back fade to black i am your

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host jimmy church tonight david pilates

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it's about time right i know what you're

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thinking here we go yes

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he holds two degrees from the university

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of san francisco

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professional background that includes 20

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years in law enforcement and a senior

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executive positions in the technology

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sector

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david has retired twice by the way and

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is now the director of course of can am

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missing project

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is the author and researcher behind the

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entire missing 4 11 book series 4-1-1

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and has been on countless radio and

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television shows he is the executive

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producer for missing four one one the

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movie and tonight we're going to discuss

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his life career and four cases maybe

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five maybe six maybe seven cases that

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he's investigated and written about that

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may involve possibly the paranormal

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maybe the supernatural or something else

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all together and i would like to welcome

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for the first time to fade to black

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david pilates david welcome my friend

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how are you

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hey jimmy uh pleasure to be with you

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finally yeah i know right i know we keep

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talking about this but

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it it it seriously it is uh it's it's

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it's something that we've been looking

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forward to for a long time we just have

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been able to to get it lined up but

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tonight's the night and then we're going

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to do back to back shows actually

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and we're going to have you back for the

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premiere of uh your next documentary so

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you know what too much of a good thing

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right

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exactly now uh this is this is how we

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see i'm already nervous david but

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let's do this first

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uh you get the first time guest

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disclaimer now next time you're on the

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show you're not going to get it but

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you're going to get it tonight which is

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this

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it's just you and i sitting on my couch

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having a conversation as friends and

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where that conversation starts it starts

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where it ends and ends but we're gonna

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end his friends there you go all right

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you ready

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oh i guess yes see that's good it can't

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now see i got you

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okay now um

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your your work has been out there for

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quite a while now and you have earned

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the reputation that you've got that that

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is awesome

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and so without spending a whole lot of

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you know discussing that i do want to

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push it back a little bit though

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into your years in law enforcement

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where you know how an investigation

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should be handled how it should be done

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and when you're out there today looking

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you can smell when something isn't quite

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right and shouldn't other law

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you know and maybe deal with you a

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little bit different you know when it's

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at sniffing around and

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delineating what's fact what's fiction

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1400 officers city of san jose right and

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respect because i worked with so many

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that perspective that different people

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for missing people are volunteers like

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certifications on their own they pay up

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for their own certifications they do it

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vacation time to do it and when they're

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they had some injuries to them that just

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didn't make any sense they didn't care

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search and rescue people they're

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makes a lot of sense by the way if i'm

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understanding you correctly

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evidence or poking around or looking for

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csi right crime scene investigation

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of the forensics of the area or anything

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like that to look for something else

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pretty much it's case closed at that

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the dad didn't make it back massive

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a physician is 10 miles into the

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wilderness with his family looking for a

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he says hey something's not right right

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the sheriff goes back in they run the

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this retired deputy sheriff a great guy

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and i said hey what happened with this

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deputy sheriff for 32 years and you're

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asking me about the one case in my

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career that didn't make any sense

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to look for evidence of where this man

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was wearing was right there his glasses

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were right there his rifle was right

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there and we searched out for a radius

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of a mile and a half we didn't find any

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bones we never found him

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we never found anything that made any

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sense about all this

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and he said the worst thing about it was

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is that the family couldn't get a death

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certificate because they couldn't prove

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the guy was dead even though everyone

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but he said what happened to this man he

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said it'll haunt me for the rest of my

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did they ever find the body

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the thought of and this is when when you

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okay i mean it like this we you and i

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can talk about this and people can

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listen to it but

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when you read case after case these

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years 20 years

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so i've written about maybe 1200

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this isn't some isolated incident that

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that may or may not make the news

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right you start to see a pattern here

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and when you when you read this case

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after case in this book

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where um i'm finding myself going wait a

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i didn't hear about this

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you know this wasn't in the news this

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isn't but it it's a repetitive thing

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what do you think that we're looking at

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here is it a case of uh

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of um

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you know law enforcement not having the

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resource to do investigations to resolve

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these

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or is there something more

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uh crazy i mean what do you think

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ultimately is happening

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so when i first started to do this jimmy

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i i read a couple hundred reports in the

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first couple months

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and after that i started to think hey i

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remember this happening in a couple

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other cases and i went back and i

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started to make these piles in the

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basement of my house and i had maybe 12

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of these piles

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and each one of the piles represented

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something unusual that happened in that

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search

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and in all other cases the number one

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most unusual thing i call it a profile

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point right was that

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bloodhounds or canines would be brought

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to the scene and they couldn't pick up

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the scent of the victim

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sometimes the dog would walk in a circle

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and sit down at the handler's feet

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as though it didn't want to go down the

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trail or it couldn't pick up a scent the

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hammer couldn't tell other times they'd

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walk down the trail a bit and then turn

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around and come back

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professional trackers that were brought

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to the scene couldn't find tracks that

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left the area where the victim was last

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seen right

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other times the victim's clothes or

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event could be rain blizzard snow dust

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storm

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clouds clouds i saw that over and over

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again

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anything that could inhibit support air

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support right uh inhibit the search

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effort etc

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and i started to make these stacks

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well one of the subsets of these stacks

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was

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granite and boulders

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and i didn't think much about it at the

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beginning

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but after a couple years i had this oh

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wow

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and when i was on the police department

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and we were looking for say a serial

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bank robber or rapist

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we would have a map of the city and we'd

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start to put pins in the map where the

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person committed their crime

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and we knew that the closest

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the first crime the person commits is

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usually the closest to their home and

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they'll start moving outward from there

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and we'd start to track and we would use

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a profiler to tell us where the person

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would go next

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and i thought well maybe i had to start

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putting pins in a u.s map

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and

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that was oh my god after four or five

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years it starts to really lay itself out

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and there are 59

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geographical clusters of missing people

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in north america

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that fit the profile points we

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established after looking at thousands

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of cases

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and the number one location in the

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united states well in the world at this

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point for missing people fitting our

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profile points is yosemite national park

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which also just happens to be the number

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one place in the world for boulders and

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granites

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and one of the biggest tourist

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destinations in the united states

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and what people would think right away

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is oh these people must be disappearing

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from the back country when they're on

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these long backpacking

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excursions

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incorrect

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several of the disappearances have

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happened right in yosemite valley

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there is something else here

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that

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i found interesting somebody just

383
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tweeted as i'm thinking this well you

384
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know don't walk alone you know lesson is

385
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don't walk alone in the woods

386
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case after case here you just brought up

387
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the point with the the father and sons

388
00:14:14,470 --> 00:14:12,160
case after case here it's

389
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uh it's a group of people i mean they

390
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are not doing this stuff alone

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and and they still wind up missing

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sometimes feet from

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uh whether it's a weather disturbance or

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something else uh from their family or

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friends

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and they weren't alone were they

397
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well i call it the point of separation

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meaning a group is walking down a trail

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and let's say somebody in that group

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gets ahead of the group and comes goes

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around a turn

402
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and they're momentarily out of sight or

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somebody steps behind another person

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behind a bush

405
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that point of separation something

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happens

407
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some reason or another there's been

408
00:15:04,150 --> 00:15:01,760
maybe a handful of cases i've written

409
00:15:06,550 --> 00:15:04,160
about in eight books where multiple

410
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people have disappeared simultaneously

411
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but it is really really unusual if

412
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there's one thing that you could take

413
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off the list and i'm going to suggest

414
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something

415
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and you tell me if i'm correct

416
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if you would do the same thing but if we

417
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were going to take one thing off the

418
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list

419
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would it be serial killing a serial

420
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killer is that one thing we just take

421
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off the list

422
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well in fact

423
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we'll get to that right now

424
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so part of the vetting process that we

425
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use to ensure

426
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that these cases don't have a rational

427
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aspect to them is

428
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a criminal element

429
00:15:44,550 --> 00:15:43,360
is there a possibility that a crime

430
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occurred and that's why the person

431
00:15:48,550 --> 00:15:46,880
disappeared if that's if that's part of

432
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the equation we don't put it in our

433
00:15:52,550 --> 00:15:49,680
stack

434
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another one is if the person has

435
00:15:56,790 --> 00:15:55,360
known mental illness is suicidal we

436
00:15:59,910 --> 00:15:56,800
won't look at it

437
00:16:02,550 --> 00:15:59,920
uh if there's

438
00:16:03,430 --> 00:16:02,560
some something rational to explain what

439
00:16:05,670 --> 00:16:03,440
happened

440
00:16:08,389 --> 00:16:05,680
no we won't we won't get into it if

441
00:16:10,790 --> 00:16:08,399
there's predation by an animal any

442
00:16:12,710 --> 00:16:10,800
evidence of that we won't take it

443
00:16:14,629 --> 00:16:12,720
and all of these things are listed in

444
00:16:16,389 --> 00:16:14,639
the search and rescue report and these

445
00:16:18,069 --> 00:16:16,399
are also things that are vetted out by

446
00:16:19,990 --> 00:16:18,079
them at the beginning because

447
00:16:23,670 --> 00:16:20,000
that gives them an angle at how they're

448
00:16:24,710 --> 00:16:23,680
going to conduct their search why is it

449
00:16:26,470 --> 00:16:24,720
that

450
00:16:28,069 --> 00:16:26,480
uh and we're going to head to a break

451
00:16:30,310 --> 00:16:28,079
and when we come back i'm going to let

452
00:16:32,710 --> 00:16:30,320
everybody know we're going to start off

453
00:16:35,189 --> 00:16:32,720
with one of the great now you know what

454
00:16:37,110 --> 00:16:35,199
david i thought that i knew everything

455
00:16:39,829 --> 00:16:37,120
or close to it

456
00:16:41,030 --> 00:16:39,839
but this mount rainier uh

457
00:16:42,470 --> 00:16:41,040
case that we're going to talk about

458
00:16:46,150 --> 00:16:42,480
after the break

459
00:16:48,069 --> 00:16:46,160
that that's a mind bender on every level

460
00:16:50,470 --> 00:16:48,079
by the way that thing has got some

461
00:16:52,790 --> 00:16:50,480
issues with it from top to bottom all

462
00:16:55,189 --> 00:16:52,800
the way to today um we're going to do

463
00:16:55,910 --> 00:16:55,199
that when we come back but before we get

464
00:16:56,790 --> 00:16:55,920
there

465
00:16:57,509 --> 00:16:56,800
um

466
00:17:02,470 --> 00:16:57,519
the

467
00:17:06,230 --> 00:17:02,480
talking about

468
00:17:07,909 --> 00:17:06,240
an elimination of the criminal element

469
00:17:11,189 --> 00:17:07,919
why is it that

470
00:17:13,110 --> 00:17:11,199
your critics out there and i know you

471
00:17:15,189 --> 00:17:13,120
you know this question is coming

472
00:17:17,909 --> 00:17:15,199
why your critics out there will say you

473
00:17:20,110 --> 00:17:17,919
know what i've looked at the material if

474
00:17:23,350 --> 00:17:20,120
there's a reasonable rational

475
00:17:26,470 --> 00:17:23,360
explanation to all of it there's nothing

476
00:17:29,270 --> 00:17:26,480
crazy going on here nothing to see move

477
00:17:31,110 --> 00:17:29,280
along how do you respond to that

478
00:17:33,110 --> 00:17:31,120
that's really easy

479
00:17:35,190 --> 00:17:33,120
when i do a presentation at a big

480
00:17:36,549 --> 00:17:35,200
conference i ask people in the audience

481
00:17:38,230 --> 00:17:36,559
right near the beginning how many here

482
00:17:39,510 --> 00:17:38,240
are uh parents

483
00:17:41,830 --> 00:17:39,520
everyone raises their hand and i said

484
00:17:43,029 --> 00:17:41,840
okay if we put your child down on a

485
00:17:44,870 --> 00:17:43,039
trail

486
00:17:47,110 --> 00:17:44,880
in the middle of nowhere and you walk

487
00:17:49,669 --> 00:17:47,120
away what's your child gonna do

488
00:17:51,430 --> 00:17:49,679
and half the people say uh maybe walk

489
00:17:53,270 --> 00:17:51,440
around three four or five minutes and

490
00:17:55,190 --> 00:17:53,280
then lay down and take a nap other

491
00:17:57,590 --> 00:17:55,200
people say oh they're gonna run down the

492
00:17:59,110 --> 00:17:57,600
trail downhill and just you know get

493
00:18:00,630 --> 00:17:59,120
tired in 20 minutes and lay down and

494
00:18:03,669 --> 00:18:00,640
take a nap

495
00:18:05,750 --> 00:18:03,679
and i put up a graph that shows

496
00:18:07,430 --> 00:18:05,760
the number of kids

497
00:18:08,789 --> 00:18:07,440
that i've written about

498
00:18:10,950 --> 00:18:08,799
two years old

499
00:18:12,950 --> 00:18:10,960
that have been found nine miles and two

500
00:18:15,029 --> 00:18:12,960
mountain ranges away where there are no

501
00:18:16,710 --> 00:18:15,039
roads

502
00:18:18,710 --> 00:18:16,720
how does that two-year-old do that in

503
00:18:21,510 --> 00:18:18,720
nine hours

504
00:18:23,430 --> 00:18:21,520
or another two-year-old that's found 3

505
00:18:24,710 --> 00:18:23,440
500 feet higher than where they

506
00:18:26,070 --> 00:18:24,720
disappeared

507
00:18:28,070 --> 00:18:26,080
up a mountain

508
00:18:31,430 --> 00:18:28,080
but these aren't just one or two cases i

509
00:18:33,830 --> 00:18:31,440
have a whole table of these on pages

510
00:18:36,549 --> 00:18:33,840
and so if you're rational

511
00:18:38,390 --> 00:18:36,559
and if you're logical you're gonna say

512
00:18:39,990 --> 00:18:38,400
that's impossible

513
00:18:42,789 --> 00:18:40,000
but it's reality

514
00:18:44,310 --> 00:18:42,799
and the people that are my naysayers i

515
00:18:45,510 --> 00:18:44,320
can guarantee they've never read the

516
00:18:49,590 --> 00:18:45,520
books

517
00:18:50,710 --> 00:18:49,600
they have an agenda that we just don't

518
00:18:52,390 --> 00:18:50,720
understand

519
00:18:54,070 --> 00:18:52,400
because if you're a parent you'll look

520
00:18:56,950 --> 00:18:54,080
at this and go my kid couldn't even come

521
00:18:58,470 --> 00:18:56,960
close to doing that is that

522
00:19:03,510 --> 00:18:58,480
do you

523
00:19:05,190 --> 00:19:03,520
no i'm sure you have i want to know how

524
00:19:07,590 --> 00:19:05,200
many times do you actually look at

525
00:19:09,110 --> 00:19:07,600
somebody and go okay stop have you read

526
00:19:09,990 --> 00:19:09,120
my books

527
00:19:12,150 --> 00:19:10,000
right

528
00:19:13,909 --> 00:19:12,160
do you look for that response out of

529
00:19:16,150 --> 00:19:13,919
somebody because i think that's a great

530
00:19:18,630 --> 00:19:16,160
question to ask somebody

531
00:19:19,990 --> 00:19:18,640
you know there's honestly when i go to

532
00:19:22,150 --> 00:19:20,000
the conferences

533
00:19:24,870 --> 00:19:22,160
it just seems like everybody knows the

534
00:19:26,710 --> 00:19:24,880
material really really well i don't get

535
00:19:28,789 --> 00:19:26,720
hardly anybody when i'm face to face

536
00:19:29,830 --> 00:19:28,799
with them that challenges me

537
00:19:31,830 --> 00:19:29,840
because

538
00:19:34,230 --> 00:19:31,840
you know if you know your material well

539
00:19:36,710 --> 00:19:34,240
jimmy you could take anybody apart very

540
00:19:38,470 --> 00:19:36,720
easily it's it's going to be very hard

541
00:19:41,190 --> 00:19:38,480
for somebody to come back at me at this

542
00:19:43,510 --> 00:19:41,200
point and say oh this all makes sense

543
00:19:45,350 --> 00:19:43,520
because i made a presentation from the

544
00:19:47,510 --> 00:19:45,360
largest search and rescue organization

545
00:19:49,430 --> 00:19:47,520
in the world it's called nassar

546
00:19:51,270 --> 00:19:49,440
and i laid all of this out

547
00:19:53,750 --> 00:19:51,280
hour and a half presentation

548
00:19:55,430 --> 00:19:53,760
and at the very end everyone's clapping

549
00:19:57,909 --> 00:19:55,440
two guys in the back of the room giant

550
00:20:00,150 --> 00:19:57,919
guys stand up and they go mr politis

551
00:20:02,230 --> 00:20:00,160
we're alaska state troopers

552
00:20:04,470 --> 00:20:02,240
and we are in charge of all the search

553
00:20:06,150 --> 00:20:04,480
and rescue in the state of alaska

554
00:20:08,789 --> 00:20:06,160
and we've come to probably 10 of these

555
00:20:11,430 --> 00:20:08,799
conferences and you're the first person

556
00:20:13,270 --> 00:20:11,440
that's ever stood up here and said

557
00:20:14,390 --> 00:20:13,280
something that nobody here wants to talk

558
00:20:16,390 --> 00:20:14,400
about

559
00:20:18,150 --> 00:20:16,400
we all know that we're normally

560
00:20:19,590 --> 00:20:18,160
searching in a two-mile radius for a

561
00:20:21,430 --> 00:20:19,600
small child

562
00:20:22,710 --> 00:20:21,440
but you just presented to us how many

563
00:20:24,630 --> 00:20:22,720
times we've got to start thinking

564
00:20:27,029 --> 00:20:24,640
outside the box that these kids are

565
00:20:28,710 --> 00:20:27,039
somehow getting outside of that zone and

566
00:20:30,070 --> 00:20:28,720
not by their own force

567
00:20:31,350 --> 00:20:30,080
and you're just saying something that we

568
00:20:32,630 --> 00:20:31,360
all need to hear and thank you for

569
00:20:34,549 --> 00:20:32,640
saying it

570
00:20:37,430 --> 00:20:34,559
so do you think you're do you think

571
00:20:40,310 --> 00:20:37,440
you're affecting change

572
00:20:42,470 --> 00:20:40,320
um awareness for sure

573
00:20:45,029 --> 00:20:42,480
uh change i don't know

574
00:20:48,390 --> 00:20:45,039
there's groups that are so slow to

575
00:20:49,750 --> 00:20:48,400
change law enforcement search and rescue

576
00:20:51,430 --> 00:20:49,760
there's a lot of things that are written

577
00:20:53,270 --> 00:20:51,440
about me out there that are one thousand

578
00:20:55,110 --> 00:20:53,280
percent not true like they said oh

579
00:20:57,110 --> 00:20:55,120
politis thinks it's this or politis

580
00:20:59,590 --> 00:20:57,120
thinks it's that and that immediately

581
00:21:01,190 --> 00:20:59,600
turns off that part of the world

582
00:21:03,110 --> 00:21:01,200
they say oh he's already come to

583
00:21:05,110 --> 00:21:03,120
conclusions that it's aliens or

584
00:21:07,350 --> 00:21:05,120
something right i've never i've never

585
00:21:10,070 --> 00:21:07,360
said anything like that i've never even

586
00:21:12,630 --> 00:21:10,080
come to close to a hypothesis or naming

587
00:21:14,549 --> 00:21:12,640
suspects in any of my books i relate

588
00:21:17,510 --> 00:21:14,559
just facts

589
00:21:21,110 --> 00:21:17,520
i remember uh this is this is quite a

590
00:21:23,909 --> 00:21:21,120
while ago but i remember hearing

591
00:21:25,669 --> 00:21:23,919
somebody say your your name had come up

592
00:21:27,190 --> 00:21:25,679
and somebody said ah he thinks it's

593
00:21:30,070 --> 00:21:27,200
bigfoot

594
00:21:32,470 --> 00:21:30,080
and i just i kind of stepped back and

595
00:21:34,870 --> 00:21:32,480
went well you know i i think he's done

596
00:21:35,830 --> 00:21:34,880
bigfoot investigations but i don't think

597
00:21:38,549 --> 00:21:35,840
david

598
00:21:40,549 --> 00:21:38,559
has ever come to a conclusion i've how

599
00:21:41,909 --> 00:21:40,559
many times have i asked you that

600
00:21:44,070 --> 00:21:41,919
right

601
00:21:45,990 --> 00:21:44,080
yeah and

602
00:21:47,830 --> 00:21:46,000
you know that you were the bigfoot guy

603
00:21:49,350 --> 00:21:47,840
that you've been blaming the missing the

604
00:21:52,789 --> 00:21:49,360
411 books

605
00:21:56,149 --> 00:21:52,799
uh are about uh uh bigfoot and that it

606
00:21:57,990 --> 00:21:56,159
couldn't be further from the truth

607
00:21:59,590 --> 00:21:58,000
and again jimmy you can't control what

608
00:22:01,430 --> 00:21:59,600
other people say

609
00:22:03,190 --> 00:22:01,440
but i mean there's a coup a couple of

610
00:22:05,590 --> 00:22:03,200
times on facebook somebody will say

611
00:22:07,590 --> 00:22:05,600
something totally irrational

612
00:22:09,190 --> 00:22:07,600
and the thousands of people that have

613
00:22:11,830 --> 00:22:09,200
read my books that are on my facebook

614
00:22:14,870 --> 00:22:11,840
page just annihilate the person with

615
00:22:15,830 --> 00:22:14,880
facts not opinions facts

616
00:22:20,470 --> 00:22:15,840
and

617
00:22:23,430 --> 00:22:20,480
it's hard for anybody to hurt you

618
00:22:25,029 --> 00:22:23,440
what do you do uh with something we've

619
00:22:27,029 --> 00:22:25,039
got about two minutes

620
00:22:28,230 --> 00:22:27,039
speaking of aliens because you you just

621
00:22:29,909 --> 00:22:28,240
mentioned that

622
00:22:32,470 --> 00:22:29,919
what do you do

623
00:22:35,110 --> 00:22:32,480
uh with the case like say the outlook

624
00:22:37,029 --> 00:22:35,120
pass right over in russia famous case

625
00:22:38,950 --> 00:22:37,039
where the

626
00:22:40,870 --> 00:22:38,960
there was

627
00:22:43,590 --> 00:22:40,880
with with everything that happened and

628
00:22:45,350 --> 00:22:43,600
it's still not resolved to this day but

629
00:22:49,669 --> 00:22:45,360
with everything that happened

630
00:22:51,750 --> 00:22:49,679
uh which was bad where the town said hey

631
00:22:53,270 --> 00:22:51,760
there were lights in the sky we saw

632
00:22:55,990 --> 00:22:53,280
things happen

633
00:22:58,870 --> 00:22:56,000
above their campsite

634
00:23:00,390 --> 00:22:58,880
uh as this was going down

635
00:23:02,630 --> 00:23:00,400
what do you do when there's something

636
00:23:05,270 --> 00:23:02,640
like that mentioned in in one of these

637
00:23:07,350 --> 00:23:05,280
tragic cases

638
00:23:08,789 --> 00:23:07,360
luckily for me it doesn't fit our

639
00:23:11,029 --> 00:23:08,799
profile points and i haven't written

640
00:23:13,190 --> 00:23:11,039
about it

641
00:23:14,390 --> 00:23:13,200
and that's a good political answer okay

642
00:23:16,870 --> 00:23:14,400
dude

643
00:23:19,190 --> 00:23:16,880
do you have a separate pile yeah

644
00:23:22,789 --> 00:23:19,200
do you have a separate pile okay

645
00:23:25,510 --> 00:23:22,799
you know we all have a lot of piles okay

646
00:23:27,510 --> 00:23:25,520
so you've got a light in the sky pile

647
00:23:29,830 --> 00:23:27,520
uh now i don't actually don't have one

648
00:23:32,310 --> 00:23:29,840
of those but i do have some

649
00:23:34,950 --> 00:23:32,320
that have some strange characteristics

650
00:23:36,630 --> 00:23:34,960
with it like a physicist that in arizona

651
00:23:38,149 --> 00:23:36,640
that case

652
00:23:40,710 --> 00:23:38,159
and that's a that's that's pretty

653
00:23:42,549 --> 00:23:40,720
interesting case and and i i hope that

654
00:23:45,110 --> 00:23:42,559
we can get to that tonight

655
00:23:46,870 --> 00:23:45,120
i am going to say i just brought up the

656
00:23:48,549 --> 00:23:46,880
mount rainier case

657
00:23:51,190 --> 00:23:48,559
and the

658
00:23:52,870 --> 00:23:51,200
fascinating thing for me as i started to

659
00:23:55,669 --> 00:23:52,880
read about it we'll get into it in depth

660
00:23:56,549 --> 00:23:55,679
when we come back but it was the dates

661
00:23:58,710 --> 00:23:56,559
and

662
00:24:00,950 --> 00:23:58,720
all of us in ufology know those key

663
00:24:02,149 --> 00:24:00,960
dates right and i'm like wait a minute

664
00:24:06,630 --> 00:24:02,159
here

665
00:24:10,149 --> 00:24:06,640
and we'll talk about that when we come

666
00:24:11,830 --> 00:24:10,159
back and i think there may be an alien

667
00:24:14,710 --> 00:24:11,840
e.t connection in that mount rainier

668
00:24:17,190 --> 00:24:14,720
case what say you mr pilates

669
00:24:18,789 --> 00:24:17,200
i didn't write it for my health i know i

670
00:24:20,070 --> 00:24:18,799
know it's it's pretty crazy let's see

671
00:24:22,390 --> 00:24:20,080
when we come back our guest tonight

672
00:24:23,909 --> 00:24:22,400
david pilates hey david uh where can

673
00:24:26,149 --> 00:24:23,919
everybody how many books have you

674
00:24:28,470 --> 00:24:26,159
written so far in the 411 series

675
00:24:29,590 --> 00:24:28,480
eight books where can everybody go and

676
00:24:32,310 --> 00:24:29,600
get them

677
00:24:34,070 --> 00:24:32,320
do not go to amazon you'll pay 55 to 60

678
00:24:36,470 --> 00:24:34,080
bucks for them we don't sell them there

679
00:24:39,510 --> 00:24:36,480
go to our website can-am like canadian

680
00:24:41,430 --> 00:24:39,520
american can-am missing.com and we also

681
00:24:43,430 --> 00:24:41,440
put up right before the show i'll

682
00:24:46,230 --> 00:24:43,440
retweet it during the break so we'll

683
00:24:48,230 --> 00:24:46,240
read a david's new trailer for the

684
00:24:49,830 --> 00:24:48,240
documentary that we'll be presenting to

685
00:24:52,230 --> 00:24:49,840
everybody next month that is up there

686
00:24:54,070 --> 00:24:52,240
too this is fade to black i'm your host

687
00:24:56,149 --> 00:24:54,080
jimmy church more with david when we

688
00:24:57,750 --> 00:24:56,159
come back after this short break stay

689
00:24:59,990 --> 00:24:57,760
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690
00:25:02,149 --> 00:25:00,000
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691
00:25:04,310 --> 00:25:02,159
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692
00:25:05,909 --> 00:25:04,320
by the way you can follow him at can-am

693
00:25:07,830 --> 00:25:05,919
and we've got the links

694
00:25:09,190 --> 00:25:07,840
right there at jimmychurchradio.com

695
00:25:11,990 --> 00:25:09,200
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696
00:25:14,789 --> 00:25:12,000
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697
00:25:16,710 --> 00:25:14,799
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698
00:25:19,110 --> 00:25:16,720
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699
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700
00:25:24,630 --> 00:25:21,840
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701
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702
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705
00:25:33,269 --> 00:25:32,080
all right welcome back fade to black i'm

706
00:25:34,950 --> 00:25:33,279
here with jimmy church i was just

707
00:25:36,630 --> 00:25:34,960
listening to the commercials during the

708
00:25:40,549 --> 00:25:36,640
break here in the bunker

709
00:25:41,909 --> 00:25:40,559
and yeah i was in the er on sunday and i

710
00:25:44,870 --> 00:25:41,919
just want to say this i want to thank

711
00:25:48,710 --> 00:25:44,880
ronnie mcmullen and life change tea

712
00:25:51,190 --> 00:25:48,720
because that's what got me back to earth

713
00:25:55,350 --> 00:25:51,200
right there life changed tea

714
00:25:58,630 --> 00:25:55,360
drinking uh colostrum uh gi joy

715
00:26:01,590 --> 00:25:58,640
and uh everything else uh i went on a

716
00:26:04,230 --> 00:26:01,600
massive dosage and i feel great life

717
00:26:06,710 --> 00:26:04,240
changed t now uh david

718
00:26:08,710 --> 00:26:06,720
um somebody this is like the best

719
00:26:13,190 --> 00:26:08,720
question of the night right here

720
00:26:15,029 --> 00:26:13,200
uh is it 411 or 4-1-1 let's solve this

721
00:26:17,510 --> 00:26:15,039
right now because i've heard both from

722
00:26:21,269 --> 00:26:17,520
host over the years with david as a

723
00:26:24,390 --> 00:26:21,279
guest i'm in the 4-1-1 camp and that is

724
00:26:25,750 --> 00:26:24,400
a tweet from cortana so what is it i

725
00:26:28,630 --> 00:26:25,760
think i think it depends on your age

726
00:26:29,669 --> 00:26:28,640
jimmy uh if you're old like us

727
00:26:32,149 --> 00:26:29,679
then

728
00:26:34,390 --> 00:26:32,159
when your mom said hey get on the phone

729
00:26:36,710 --> 00:26:34,400
call information and give me the phone

730
00:26:38,549 --> 00:26:36,720
number for the local mcdonald's

731
00:26:39,590 --> 00:26:38,559
well i should say call 4-1-1 that's

732
00:26:40,630 --> 00:26:39,600
right

733
00:26:43,990 --> 00:26:40,640
and

734
00:26:45,110 --> 00:26:44,000
if you're a newbie maybe 4-11 in reality

735
00:26:48,310 --> 00:26:45,120
it doesn't matter whatever you're

736
00:26:50,070 --> 00:26:48,320
comfortable with yeah you know what i'm

737
00:26:53,830 --> 00:26:50,080
kind of both because you're right it's

738
00:26:56,870 --> 00:26:53,840
always been 9-1-1 or 4-1-1 of course

739
00:26:58,630 --> 00:26:56,880
right of course and then a 9-11

740
00:27:01,350 --> 00:26:58,640
and then so you've got that

741
00:27:04,710 --> 00:27:01,360
you know in your frontal lobes so yeah

742
00:27:07,590 --> 00:27:04,720
that's that's okay i'm going 4-1-1

743
00:27:10,070 --> 00:27:07,600
and i've said both tonight so i let's uh

744
00:27:12,789 --> 00:27:10,080
let's let's let's give a credit to our

745
00:27:15,430 --> 00:27:12,799
generation let's go to uh

746
00:27:17,110 --> 00:27:15,440
this this mount rainier case and i'm

747
00:27:19,110 --> 00:27:17,120
gonna let you se well i'm gonna set it

748
00:27:22,710 --> 00:27:19,120
up and i'm gonna let you run with it

749
00:27:25,269 --> 00:27:22,720
but as i started to read about this case

750
00:27:26,950 --> 00:27:25,279
uh first off it's military second it's

751
00:27:29,350 --> 00:27:26,960
it's in the air

752
00:27:33,510 --> 00:27:29,360
but the third thing was the date and

753
00:27:34,950 --> 00:27:33,520
it's 1946 and the second that i saw that

754
00:27:37,990 --> 00:27:34,960
i was in

755
00:27:39,029 --> 00:27:38,000
and it's pretty interesting but for me

756
00:27:42,070 --> 00:27:39,039
the

757
00:27:43,750 --> 00:27:42,080
of course

758
00:27:45,590 --> 00:27:43,760
but it's what we're going to be

759
00:27:47,029 --> 00:27:45,600
discussing at the end of the case which

760
00:27:50,149 --> 00:27:47,039
i find that

761
00:27:52,470 --> 00:27:50,159
just absolutely fascinating so what

762
00:27:54,310 --> 00:27:52,480
happened

763
00:27:56,470 --> 00:27:54,320
so first of all mount rainier national

764
00:27:59,909 --> 00:27:56,480
park is in the state of washington last

765
00:28:01,909 --> 00:27:59,919
year they had 1.5 million visitors

766
00:28:03,909 --> 00:28:01,919
and i doubt that there's a handful of

767
00:28:05,909 --> 00:28:03,919
people that visited that park that know

768
00:28:07,430 --> 00:28:05,919
what i'm going to tell you

769
00:28:10,950 --> 00:28:07,440
but mount rainier is the highest

770
00:28:11,909 --> 00:28:10,960
mountain in the cascade range at 14 410

771
00:28:13,750 --> 00:28:11,919
feet

772
00:28:15,830 --> 00:28:13,760
and it's considered it's ranked in the

773
00:28:17,029 --> 00:28:15,840
top 16 of the most dangerous mountains

774
00:28:19,909 --> 00:28:17,039
in the world

775
00:28:22,230 --> 00:28:19,919
with 26 glaciers on it

776
00:28:24,470 --> 00:28:22,240
now we're going to go back december 10th

777
00:28:27,710 --> 00:28:24,480
1946

778
00:28:30,470 --> 00:28:27,720
six united states marine curtis commando

779
00:28:32,710 --> 00:28:30,480
r-5c transports

780
00:28:35,350 --> 00:28:32,720
were sitting on the tarmac at el toro

781
00:28:37,990 --> 00:28:35,360
marine base in southern california

782
00:28:40,149 --> 00:28:38,000
and they were loaded with 200 soldiers

783
00:28:41,909 --> 00:28:40,159
to be flown to the sandpoint naval air

784
00:28:44,389 --> 00:28:41,919
station in seattle

785
00:28:46,310 --> 00:28:44,399
it's about a six and a half hour flight

786
00:28:49,269 --> 00:28:46,320
and these planes at the time could fly

787
00:28:51,990 --> 00:28:49,279
up to about 24 500 feet

788
00:28:53,510 --> 00:28:52,000
and the cargo area was not pressurized

789
00:28:56,230 --> 00:28:53,520
so they usually tried to stay a little

790
00:28:59,269 --> 00:28:56,240
bit lower so you could breathe yeah no

791
00:29:02,870 --> 00:28:59,279
oxygen right right and the flight plan

792
00:29:04,950 --> 00:29:02,880
called them to fly at about 9000 feet

793
00:29:07,510 --> 00:29:04,960
well six the six planes left in a

794
00:29:08,549 --> 00:29:07,520
staggered procession at about 10 36 in

795
00:29:10,789 --> 00:29:08,559
the morning

796
00:29:12,389 --> 00:29:10,799
now how did i get this information

797
00:29:13,909 --> 00:29:12,399
when i i started to put these pieces

798
00:29:16,389 --> 00:29:13,919
together and i filed the freedom of

799
00:29:18,710 --> 00:29:16,399
information act request against the

800
00:29:21,029 --> 00:29:18,720
the navy and the marines and i got a

801
00:29:23,190 --> 00:29:21,039
whole crapload of information so that's

802
00:29:26,310 --> 00:29:23,200
where i got most of this but

803
00:29:28,230 --> 00:29:26,320
one of the r5cs was piloted by major

804
00:29:32,070 --> 00:29:28,240
robert riley

805
00:29:33,909 --> 00:29:32,080
and at 4 13 pm he contacted toledo ohio

806
00:29:36,070 --> 00:29:33,919
air traffic control reporting that he

807
00:29:38,950 --> 00:29:36,080
was getting ice on his wings

808
00:29:41,110 --> 00:29:38,960
and he asked for permission to go higher

809
00:29:43,750 --> 00:29:41,120
to get out of the wet

810
00:29:46,950 --> 00:29:43,760
and get out of the clouds he estimated

811
00:29:49,190 --> 00:29:46,960
he was 30 miles south of

812
00:29:52,149 --> 00:29:49,200
his destination which was the naval air

813
00:29:54,549 --> 00:29:52,159
station he was told to contact aircraft

814
00:29:56,470 --> 00:29:54,559
air traffic control once he reached his

815
00:29:58,950 --> 00:29:56,480
new altitude

816
00:30:00,710 --> 00:29:58,960
and he would get approval to go up well

817
00:30:02,950 --> 00:30:00,720
he never got a hold of air traffic

818
00:30:05,190 --> 00:30:02,960
control assuming everyone assumed he

819
00:30:06,389 --> 00:30:05,200
flew up higher and got out of the bad

820
00:30:08,870 --> 00:30:06,399
weather

821
00:30:11,830 --> 00:30:08,880
now during this time five of the r5cs

822
00:30:13,830 --> 00:30:11,840
had already landed in seattle

823
00:30:16,230 --> 00:30:13,840
now notes in the freedom of information

824
00:30:18,389 --> 00:30:16,240
act file stated that the everett

825
00:30:20,630 --> 00:30:18,399
washington air traffic control should

826
00:30:23,269 --> 00:30:20,640
have been able to hear this plane and

827
00:30:25,029 --> 00:30:23,279
they never did and there was enough fuel

828
00:30:27,669 --> 00:30:25,039
for this thing to fly for 10 hours they

829
00:30:30,710 --> 00:30:27,679
were about six and a half hours into it

830
00:30:32,950 --> 00:30:30,720
well riley's r5c never arrived at the

831
00:30:35,830 --> 00:30:32,960
naval air station

832
00:30:38,470 --> 00:30:35,840
on december 11th the entire pacific

833
00:30:41,669 --> 00:30:38,480
northwest went into high alert

834
00:30:44,470 --> 00:30:41,679
as the search for this r5c was going on

835
00:30:46,470 --> 00:30:44,480
the issue for the search was the weather

836
00:30:48,710 --> 00:30:46,480
was horrific

837
00:30:51,909 --> 00:30:48,720
blizzard snow

838
00:30:53,430 --> 00:30:51,919
rain depending on the altitude

839
00:30:56,230 --> 00:30:53,440
it was just bad

840
00:30:59,269 --> 00:30:56,240
well rangers at mount rainier reported

841
00:31:00,710 --> 00:30:59,279
hearing a plane pass their location at 4

842
00:31:02,310 --> 00:31:00,720
15 pm

843
00:31:04,470 --> 00:31:02,320
on the day in question

844
00:31:06,549 --> 00:31:04,480
they never heard a crash no impact

845
00:31:08,230 --> 00:31:06,559
nothing unusual

846
00:31:10,549 --> 00:31:08,240
now for five days after the

847
00:31:13,029 --> 00:31:10,559
disappearance the snow just pounded this

848
00:31:14,470 --> 00:31:13,039
region of washington and headlines at

849
00:31:18,230 --> 00:31:14,480
the time stated that the storms

850
00:31:21,110 --> 00:31:18,240
prevented a search for the plane by air

851
00:31:22,710 --> 00:31:21,120
but you got to remember 32 soldiers were

852
00:31:26,149 --> 00:31:22,720
on this plane

853
00:31:27,190 --> 00:31:26,159
now this search went on for months

854
00:31:29,909 --> 00:31:27,200
now

855
00:31:32,070 --> 00:31:29,919
a tattered fragment of a marine's

856
00:31:34,870 --> 00:31:32,080
uniform a weathered piece of a

857
00:31:37,509 --> 00:31:34,880
serviceman's health record and some tiny

858
00:31:39,110 --> 00:31:37,519
bits of record of wreckage

859
00:31:41,350 --> 00:31:39,120
indicated

860
00:31:43,669 --> 00:31:41,360
to the service

861
00:31:46,149 --> 00:31:43,679
that a plane had hit a mountain

862
00:31:49,590 --> 00:31:46,159
a lone hiker on rainier had recovered

863
00:31:52,310 --> 00:31:49,600
some strange things on the snow

864
00:31:54,070 --> 00:31:52,320
and that was located above 10 000 feet

865
00:31:56,549 --> 00:31:54,080
now the reports at the time stated that

866
00:31:59,350 --> 00:31:56,559
the plane exploded and scattered these

867
00:32:01,669 --> 00:31:59,360
remains everywhere now i want to stop

868
00:32:03,590 --> 00:32:01,679
you there for a second because i find

869
00:32:05,509 --> 00:32:03,600
that interesting where

870
00:32:09,830 --> 00:32:05,519
the rangers reported the sound of a

871
00:32:11,430 --> 00:32:09,840
plane at 4 15 but no crash no explosion

872
00:32:13,830 --> 00:32:11,440
now

873
00:32:15,909 --> 00:32:13,840
we have an explosion or at least that's

874
00:32:19,029 --> 00:32:15,919
what they are saying but the rangers

875
00:32:21,110 --> 00:32:19,039
didn't say that they heard an explosion

876
00:32:22,230 --> 00:32:21,120
that is a hundred percent correct

877
00:32:23,669 --> 00:32:22,240
now here's where it gets really

878
00:32:25,830 --> 00:32:23,679
confusing

879
00:32:28,070 --> 00:32:25,840
so the marines are flying the plane

880
00:32:29,990 --> 00:32:28,080
there's marines on the plane and the

881
00:32:31,430 --> 00:32:30,000
navy is making all these statements

882
00:32:33,029 --> 00:32:31,440
that's right

883
00:32:34,789 --> 00:32:33,039
now a lot of people don't know this but

884
00:32:36,470 --> 00:32:34,799
the marines are actually under the

885
00:32:38,549 --> 00:32:36,480
department of the navy

886
00:32:40,710 --> 00:32:38,559
but still it was really weird when i'm

887
00:32:42,549 --> 00:32:40,720
reading all this that there's a marine

888
00:32:43,909 --> 00:32:42,559
general colonel nobody that wants to

889
00:32:44,950 --> 00:32:43,919
make any statements on the part of the

890
00:32:46,950 --> 00:32:44,960
marines

891
00:32:49,029 --> 00:32:46,960
that's all navy

892
00:32:51,190 --> 00:32:49,039
so the nps said very little about this

893
00:32:55,190 --> 00:32:51,200
incident at the beginning

894
00:32:57,110 --> 00:32:55,200
now on august 24th 1947

895
00:33:00,070 --> 00:32:57,120
rangers stated that ten bodies were

896
00:33:02,870 --> 00:33:00,080
located on the tahoma glacier

897
00:33:05,590 --> 00:33:02,880
21 bodies were located by two nps

898
00:33:07,830 --> 00:33:05,600
rangers later and a rep from the navy

899
00:33:10,630 --> 00:33:07,840
said this was true as he went up on the

900
00:33:12,389 --> 00:33:10,640
mountain with the rangers they said that

901
00:33:14,389 --> 00:33:12,399
they didn't know if they could remove

902
00:33:16,470 --> 00:33:14,399
the bodies and they never gave an

903
00:33:17,909 --> 00:33:16,480
explanation right how can they say that

904
00:33:20,230 --> 00:33:17,919
and this is uh

905
00:33:22,630 --> 00:33:20,240
i need to address a couple of direct

906
00:33:27,669 --> 00:33:24,950
are you there i'm here okay wow that was

907
00:33:29,430 --> 00:33:27,679
a weird click did you hear that yeah

908
00:33:31,990 --> 00:33:29,440
okay all right

909
00:33:34,789 --> 00:33:32,000
let's move on that was kind of trippy is

910
00:33:36,830 --> 00:33:34,799
is this we're not talking about uh you

911
00:33:39,750 --> 00:33:36,840
know antarctica or

912
00:33:43,590 --> 00:33:39,760
greenland this is mount rainier outside

913
00:33:46,870 --> 00:33:43,600
of seattle inside of the united states

914
00:33:50,470 --> 00:33:46,880
what is the difficulty in a proper

915
00:33:53,190 --> 00:33:50,480
search and rescue one the day of the day

916
00:33:56,310 --> 00:33:53,200
after not months later and then the

917
00:33:58,950 --> 00:33:56,320
retrieval of how difficult can it be

918
00:34:01,190 --> 00:33:58,960
it's not like we don't have resources

919
00:34:03,509 --> 00:34:01,200
it's outside of seattle

920
00:34:05,110 --> 00:34:03,519
when you started to read this uh the

921
00:34:06,389 --> 00:34:05,120
facts of the case david what went

922
00:34:07,990 --> 00:34:06,399
through your mind on that it doesn't

923
00:34:09,909 --> 00:34:08,000
make any sense

924
00:34:12,389 --> 00:34:09,919
oh you're 100 right it doesn't make

925
00:34:14,950 --> 00:34:12,399
sense to me when you have the resources

926
00:34:19,430 --> 00:34:14,960
of every armed forces group and their

927
00:34:22,710 --> 00:34:21,430
so uh

928
00:34:25,109 --> 00:34:22,720
the navy

929
00:34:26,869 --> 00:34:25,119
and the national park service consult

930
00:34:29,510 --> 00:34:26,879
with the army's mountain division which

931
00:34:32,470 --> 00:34:29,520
are experts in high altitude

932
00:34:34,149 --> 00:34:32,480
about the task of removing the bodies

933
00:34:36,470 --> 00:34:34,159
now it was stated that it would take two

934
00:34:37,829 --> 00:34:36,480
weeks and two dozen men to bring the

935
00:34:39,589 --> 00:34:37,839
bodies down

936
00:34:41,669 --> 00:34:39,599
and then he said it was in a dangerous

937
00:34:44,470 --> 00:34:41,679
area now i'm thinking about this and i'm

938
00:34:46,149 --> 00:34:44,480
thinking who cares if it takes 200 men

939
00:34:47,589 --> 00:34:46,159
to bring those bodies down

940
00:34:49,750 --> 00:34:47,599
if you're a family member you want your

941
00:34:51,109 --> 00:34:49,760
body you want your family's member to

942
00:34:53,430 --> 00:34:51,119
have a burial

943
00:34:57,349 --> 00:34:53,440
you want closure

944
00:34:59,510 --> 00:34:57,359
so an article on august 28 1947 stated

945
00:35:01,109 --> 00:34:59,520
that the navy has said that the 13th

946
00:35:02,950 --> 00:35:01,119
naval district

947
00:35:06,230 --> 00:35:02,960
had an idea about how to remove the

948
00:35:08,790 --> 00:35:06,240
bodies and that it had been abandoned

949
00:35:09,990 --> 00:35:08,800
the families had a memorial service on

950
00:35:12,470 --> 00:35:10,000
the mountain

951
00:35:15,190 --> 00:35:12,480
down near the park

952
00:35:17,510 --> 00:35:15,200
and 2 000 acres of the glacier had been

953
00:35:19,270 --> 00:35:17,520
allocated as a memorial and no travel

954
00:35:22,069 --> 00:35:19,280
zone

955
00:35:24,310 --> 00:35:22,079
now in june of 1982

956
00:35:27,270 --> 00:35:24,320
a climber was on the mountain and found

957
00:35:30,150 --> 00:35:27,280
an odd piece of equipment on it

958
00:35:33,589 --> 00:35:30,160
and brought it down and it was reviewed

959
00:35:36,069 --> 00:35:33,599
and determined to be part of that plane

960
00:35:37,430 --> 00:35:36,079
to this date not one body has ever been

961
00:35:39,589 --> 00:35:37,440
recovered

962
00:35:43,109 --> 00:35:39,599
and there's been no determination of if

963
00:35:45,910 --> 00:35:43,119
the plane had engine problems etc

964
00:35:49,030 --> 00:35:45,920
now let's go back on this the r5c

965
00:35:50,950 --> 00:35:49,040
disappeared near rainier on 12 10 of 46

966
00:35:51,750 --> 00:35:50,960
december 10th

967
00:35:54,790 --> 00:35:51,760
now

968
00:35:55,670 --> 00:35:54,800
fast forward about six and a half seven

969
00:35:59,750 --> 00:35:55,680
months

970
00:36:01,670 --> 00:35:59,760
to june 29th 1947.

971
00:36:03,109 --> 00:36:01,680
very close in time and location what i'm

972
00:36:07,990 --> 00:36:03,119
going to tell you

973
00:36:10,950 --> 00:36:08,000
headlines flying type pans tin pans hit

974
00:36:12,630 --> 00:36:10,960
1200 miles per hour flying tin pans hit

975
00:36:14,390 --> 00:36:12,640
1200 miles per hour

976
00:36:16,710 --> 00:36:14,400
pilot ken arnold made the sighting

977
00:36:18,870 --> 00:36:16,720
adjacent to mount rainier

978
00:36:19,910 --> 00:36:18,880
he was a businessman he owned his own

979
00:36:22,710 --> 00:36:19,920
airplane

980
00:36:25,190 --> 00:36:22,720
he was actually flying by mount rainier

981
00:36:27,829 --> 00:36:25,200
looking for this crash

982
00:36:29,670 --> 00:36:27,839
and he saw these strain strange objects

983
00:36:31,829 --> 00:36:29,680
fly by him

984
00:36:34,069 --> 00:36:31,839
now what's really weird about all of

985
00:36:36,630 --> 00:36:34,079
this is this last summer

986
00:36:38,790 --> 00:36:36,640
i happen to be in ohio and bruce mcabee

987
00:36:41,510 --> 00:36:38,800
a physicist an optical physicist is a

988
00:36:43,750 --> 00:36:41,520
good friend and our film crew was there

989
00:36:46,230 --> 00:36:43,760
doing some filming and i sat down and i

990
00:36:48,790 --> 00:36:46,240
talked to bruce about this exact case

991
00:36:50,710 --> 00:36:48,800
and bruce came out with a book about it

992
00:36:53,109 --> 00:36:50,720
and it's a great book and it's called

993
00:36:55,109 --> 00:36:53,119
three minutes in june the ufo sighting

994
00:36:58,470 --> 00:36:55,119
that changed the world

995
00:37:02,950 --> 00:36:58,480
and bruce is an expert at numbers

996
00:37:06,230 --> 00:37:02,960
locations speed etc and he took apart

997
00:37:08,950 --> 00:37:06,240
arnold's observation and validated it a

998
00:37:11,349 --> 00:37:08,960
thousand percent skeptics are trying to

999
00:37:13,270 --> 00:37:11,359
downplay his sighting but bruce proved

1000
00:37:15,750 --> 00:37:13,280
it happened and that the speeds were

1001
00:37:18,150 --> 00:37:15,760
probably very close to accurate when he

1002
00:37:20,790 --> 00:37:18,160
saw these unidentified objects flying by

1003
00:37:23,430 --> 00:37:20,800
rainier at 1200 miles per hour

1004
00:37:26,630 --> 00:37:23,440
now arnold was in the error looking at

1005
00:37:28,790 --> 00:37:26,640
an object in the sky multiple objects

1006
00:37:30,630 --> 00:37:28,800
and this really started the modern world

1007
00:37:32,390 --> 00:37:30,640
of ufo sightings

1008
00:37:34,710 --> 00:37:32,400
and in the book i say well do you

1009
00:37:37,270 --> 00:37:34,720
believe in coincidences

1010
00:37:38,390 --> 00:37:37,280
because it's a mighty big coincidence in

1011
00:37:41,510 --> 00:37:38,400
my mind

1012
00:37:44,950 --> 00:37:41,520
that this entire group

1013
00:37:46,870 --> 00:37:44,960
of soldiers is never found

1014
00:37:48,829 --> 00:37:46,880
allegedly this thing

1015
00:37:51,589 --> 00:37:48,839
piles into a mountain

1016
00:37:53,349 --> 00:37:51,599
and six months later

1017
00:37:56,069 --> 00:37:53,359
the biggest ufo sighting in the world at

1018
00:37:57,190 --> 00:37:56,079
that point happens right next to rainier

1019
00:37:59,190 --> 00:37:57,200
you

1020
00:38:02,230 --> 00:37:59,200
mentioned something

1021
00:38:05,030 --> 00:38:02,240
there that we need to go back and

1022
00:38:07,430 --> 00:38:05,040
uh listen to again

1023
00:38:09,109 --> 00:38:07,440
2 000 acre

1024
00:38:12,710 --> 00:38:09,119
memorial

1025
00:38:14,550 --> 00:38:12,720
at the crash site which is now a no

1026
00:38:16,710 --> 00:38:14,560
travel zone

1027
00:38:20,870 --> 00:38:16,720
2 000 acres

1028
00:38:22,390 --> 00:38:20,880
memorial no travel zone

1029
00:38:24,630 --> 00:38:22,400
that that's

1030
00:38:26,470 --> 00:38:24,640
that smells of cover-up to me and i

1031
00:38:29,670 --> 00:38:26,480
don't go down the conspiracy road

1032
00:38:33,109 --> 00:38:29,680
immediately but this is direct this is a

1033
00:38:35,589 --> 00:38:33,119
2 000 acre memorial nobody's recovered

1034
00:38:37,990 --> 00:38:35,599
and nobody's uh it's a no travel zone so

1035
00:38:39,829 --> 00:38:38,000
nobody can even go up there and check it

1036
00:38:43,990 --> 00:38:39,839
out now right

1037
00:38:46,150 --> 00:38:44,000
so that was written in 1947 by

1038
00:38:47,670 --> 00:38:46,160
i think a commander in the navy that had

1039
00:38:48,870 --> 00:38:47,680
worked with the park service to get this

1040
00:38:51,109 --> 00:38:48,880
established

1041
00:38:53,589 --> 00:38:51,119
and i looked at umpteen dozen maps of

1042
00:38:55,670 --> 00:38:53,599
rainier i couldn't find any no travel

1043
00:38:57,109 --> 00:38:55,680
zone i couldn't find any restricted area

1044
00:38:57,910 --> 00:38:57,119
on rainier

1045
00:39:00,470 --> 00:38:57,920
so i

1046
00:39:02,069 --> 00:39:00,480
if it exists like i said jimmy

1047
00:39:03,990 --> 00:39:02,079
you know i doubt anybody going to

1048
00:39:07,190 --> 00:39:04,000
rainier knows that they're looking at a

1049
00:39:09,990 --> 00:39:07,200
mountain that entombs dozens of military

1050
00:39:15,109 --> 00:39:12,069
what what do you think the connection is

1051
00:39:17,030 --> 00:39:15,119
ultimately i mean the timing and and and

1052
00:39:19,270 --> 00:39:17,040
mount rainier and kenneth arnold and of

1053
00:39:21,030 --> 00:39:19,280
course this incident here

1054
00:39:23,430 --> 00:39:21,040
uh what do you think is there a

1055
00:39:25,829 --> 00:39:23,440
connection it certainly you suggest one

1056
00:39:26,829 --> 00:39:25,839
what do you think it is

1057
00:39:30,310 --> 00:39:26,839
well i mean

1058
00:39:32,230 --> 00:39:30,320
logically i'm a man of facts

1059
00:39:33,910 --> 00:39:32,240
facts are that it's a very strange

1060
00:39:35,349 --> 00:39:33,920
coincidence

1061
00:39:38,470 --> 00:39:35,359
coupled with the fact they didn't

1062
00:39:42,390 --> 00:39:38,480
recover one body off of rainier and when

1063
00:39:45,349 --> 00:39:42,400
you look at the photo which i have

1064
00:39:46,310 --> 00:39:45,359
and i thank john greenwald of the black

1065
00:39:49,109 --> 00:39:46,320
vault

1066
00:39:53,430 --> 00:39:49,119
for getting this document

1067
00:39:55,430 --> 00:39:53,440
there's a photo of this r5c that's that

1068
00:39:57,270 --> 00:39:55,440
looks pretty mangled but it definitely

1069
00:39:58,630 --> 00:39:57,280
is not destroyed

1070
00:40:00,950 --> 00:39:58,640
totally

1071
00:40:03,990 --> 00:40:00,960
and it shows searchers around it

1072
00:40:06,310 --> 00:40:04,000
and my comment to john was this doesn't

1073
00:40:08,550 --> 00:40:06,320
look like everyone was annihilated or

1074
00:40:10,710 --> 00:40:08,560
exploded in that mountain

1075
00:40:12,390 --> 00:40:10,720
so i have no idea

1076
00:40:13,589 --> 00:40:12,400
what's going on but it doesn't make any

1077
00:40:17,510 --> 00:40:13,599
sense to me

1078
00:40:19,910 --> 00:40:17,520
when when we have one of the most uh

1079
00:40:22,390 --> 00:40:19,920
popular models and sayings in the

1080
00:40:25,109 --> 00:40:22,400
military which is no man left behind

1081
00:40:27,430 --> 00:40:25,119
right we understand that we respect that

1082
00:40:30,550 --> 00:40:27,440
how is it possible to allow that to

1083
00:40:32,310 --> 00:40:30,560
happen inside of the united states

1084
00:40:34,310 --> 00:40:32,320
sam wonder i i don't think it could

1085
00:40:36,710 --> 00:40:34,320
happen today just because communications

1086
00:40:39,190 --> 00:40:36,720
is so quick and so thorough and

1087
00:40:41,190 --> 00:40:39,200
maybe in 1947 it didn't reach the

1088
00:40:42,550 --> 00:40:41,200
worldwide notoriety that it would reach

1089
00:40:43,990 --> 00:40:42,560
today and

1090
00:40:46,390 --> 00:40:44,000
you know i'm i'm sure you could get a

1091
00:40:48,069 --> 00:40:46,400
bunch of uh special services people that

1092
00:40:50,470 --> 00:40:48,079
would hike those bodies out right now

1093
00:40:53,190 --> 00:40:50,480
today if they knew so

1094
00:40:57,190 --> 00:40:53,200
it doesn't make any any sense well and

1095
00:40:59,270 --> 00:40:57,200
why not recover them today

1096
00:41:01,589 --> 00:40:59,280
i mean that's the other thing i did it

1097
00:41:03,910 --> 00:41:01,599
seems like it would with helicopters and

1098
00:41:07,190 --> 00:41:03,920
the technology that we have and

1099
00:41:09,990 --> 00:41:07,200
and and night vision and and fleer you

1100
00:41:13,510 --> 00:41:10,000
know an imaging of the ground that would

1101
00:41:16,069 --> 00:41:13,520
be able to locate the exact crash site

1102
00:41:18,309 --> 00:41:16,079
and go and give these guys uh the

1103
00:41:22,309 --> 00:41:18,319
memorial that they deserve

1104
00:41:26,710 --> 00:41:23,910
well when i wrote about this i i was

1105
00:41:29,190 --> 00:41:26,720
surprised that none no show out there

1106
00:41:31,270 --> 00:41:29,200
that's one of these search and rescue or

1107
00:41:33,670 --> 00:41:31,280
you know fringe shows has ever talked

1108
00:41:35,589 --> 00:41:33,680
about this incident

1109
00:41:37,829 --> 00:41:35,599
i i don't get it i don't get it i was

1110
00:41:40,710 --> 00:41:37,839
fascinated with this i i was just

1111
00:41:41,510 --> 00:41:40,720
fascinated with the case and and it's

1112
00:41:44,870 --> 00:41:41,520
it's

1113
00:41:47,910 --> 00:41:44,880
the timing of it being 1946 that is that

1114
00:41:51,349 --> 00:41:47,920
is one issue and the delay of the search

1115
00:41:53,349 --> 00:41:51,359
and rescue and nobody's recovered okay

1116
00:41:56,309 --> 00:41:53,359
it's strange from the word go

1117
00:41:58,150 --> 00:41:56,319
but to have a no travel zone uh spread

1118
00:42:00,230 --> 00:41:58,160
over 2 000 acres

1119
00:42:02,470 --> 00:42:00,240
that that just doesn't sit well with me

1120
00:42:03,910 --> 00:42:02,480
and you're absolutely right this this is

1121
00:42:06,390 --> 00:42:03,920
something that should i didn't know

1122
00:42:08,710 --> 00:42:06,400
about this case i mean everybody should

1123
00:42:13,430 --> 00:42:08,720
know about this case

1124
00:42:17,190 --> 00:42:13,440
i agree now let's uh did this this okay

1125
00:42:19,109 --> 00:42:17,200
this wasn't on your list but since we're

1126
00:42:22,390 --> 00:42:19,119
talking about the military i want to

1127
00:42:23,670 --> 00:42:22,400
talk about the blimp in san francisco

1128
00:42:24,870 --> 00:42:23,680
oh yeah

1129
00:42:27,990 --> 00:42:24,880
that

1130
00:42:30,870 --> 00:42:28,000
it might be stranger than

1131
00:42:33,030 --> 00:42:30,880
this case that we just discussed

1132
00:42:34,870 --> 00:42:33,040
um and i hope i'm not catching you too

1133
00:42:37,990 --> 00:42:34,880
much off guard here

1134
00:42:41,589 --> 00:42:38,000
but here we have uh

1135
00:42:44,550 --> 00:42:41,599
again two missing servicemen that

1136
00:42:47,670 --> 00:42:44,560
disappeared out of a blimp

1137
00:42:49,190 --> 00:42:47,680
in san francisco

1138
00:42:51,030 --> 00:42:49,200
can you can you set that up and let

1139
00:42:53,190 --> 00:42:51,040
everybody know uh

1140
00:42:55,349 --> 00:42:53,200
what happened here

1141
00:42:57,589 --> 00:42:55,359
so ironically the the blimps that

1142
00:42:59,190 --> 00:42:57,599
protected the california coast normally

1143
00:43:01,190 --> 00:42:59,200
went out a treasure island which is

1144
00:43:02,950 --> 00:43:01,200
right off of san francisco

1145
00:43:04,870 --> 00:43:02,960
i grew up in the bay area i grew up in a

1146
00:43:07,030 --> 00:43:04,880
little town called cupertino

1147
00:43:09,670 --> 00:43:07,040
and i it's very close to a place called

1148
00:43:11,829 --> 00:43:09,680
moffett field naval weather station

1149
00:43:14,390 --> 00:43:11,839
and because of certain circumstances

1150
00:43:15,990 --> 00:43:14,400
this day in question this blimp went out

1151
00:43:18,069 --> 00:43:16,000
of moffett field

1152
00:43:20,150 --> 00:43:18,079
and there were supposed to be three

1153
00:43:22,230 --> 00:43:20,160
people on the flight one guy at the last

1154
00:43:23,030 --> 00:43:22,240
minute didn't make it but two people

1155
00:43:24,870 --> 00:43:23,040
went

1156
00:43:27,430 --> 00:43:24,880
and the blimp takes off and it patrols

1157
00:43:28,950 --> 00:43:27,440
up and down the coast very slow very

1158
00:43:31,190 --> 00:43:28,960
methodical

1159
00:43:34,550 --> 00:43:31,200
well on this day they're up off of san

1160
00:43:37,990 --> 00:43:34,560
francisco near daly city off the coast

1161
00:43:40,710 --> 00:43:38,000
and people that were fishing and boaters

1162
00:43:43,829 --> 00:43:40,720
on the water said that they watched this

1163
00:43:45,349 --> 00:43:43,839
thing abruptly turn up and go into the

1164
00:43:47,750 --> 00:43:45,359
clouds

1165
00:43:50,390 --> 00:43:47,760
like very steep angle

1166
00:43:51,270 --> 00:43:50,400
and just before he did that the pilot

1167
00:43:53,510 --> 00:43:51,280
told

1168
00:43:56,870 --> 00:43:53,520
their air traffic control that they were

1169
00:43:58,390 --> 00:43:56,880
investigating a large oil slick off the

1170
00:44:02,950 --> 00:43:58,400
coast

1171
00:44:04,550 --> 00:44:02,960
guard cutters out to look at it as well

1172
00:44:06,790 --> 00:44:04,560
that's the last they heard of them then

1173
00:44:08,309 --> 00:44:06,800
this thing goes up into the clouds

1174
00:44:10,230 --> 00:44:08,319
they try to raise them they can't raise

1175
00:44:11,910 --> 00:44:10,240
them on the radio

1176
00:44:12,790 --> 00:44:11,920
and then all of a sudden the navy gets a

1177
00:44:15,270 --> 00:44:12,800
call

1178
00:44:17,430 --> 00:44:15,280
that their blimp has crashed on a street

1179
00:44:19,510 --> 00:44:17,440
in daly city

1180
00:44:22,790 --> 00:44:19,520
and this is really weird because the

1181
00:44:26,150 --> 00:44:22,800
blimps also carried explosives

1182
00:44:28,069 --> 00:44:26,160
that they could drop if they saw

1183
00:44:29,670 --> 00:44:28,079
like a german submarine let's say or

1184
00:44:31,510 --> 00:44:29,680
something like that

1185
00:44:33,589 --> 00:44:31,520
and so they were concerned

1186
00:44:35,109 --> 00:44:33,599
and they get there and the blimp is in

1187
00:44:36,630 --> 00:44:35,119
one piece

1188
00:44:39,990 --> 00:44:36,640
the doors open

1189
00:44:43,030 --> 00:44:40,000
people watched it hit got right there

1190
00:44:45,349 --> 00:44:43,040
and saw the door open before it crashed

1191
00:44:46,630 --> 00:44:45,359
and nobody was inside

1192
00:44:49,349 --> 00:44:46,640
and

1193
00:44:51,109 --> 00:44:49,359
it is one of the greatest mysteries

1194
00:44:54,230 --> 00:44:51,119
of

1195
00:44:57,349 --> 00:44:54,240
our air force and naval history

1196
00:45:00,470 --> 00:44:57,359
because they could never ever understand

1197
00:45:03,190 --> 00:45:00,480
number one what caused that limp to take

1198
00:45:05,270 --> 00:45:03,200
an abrupt turn and go up into the clouds

1199
00:45:06,950 --> 00:45:05,280
there's no reason the door ever should

1200
00:45:09,750 --> 00:45:06,960
have been open

1201
00:45:11,510 --> 00:45:09,760
and for them to have this kind of slow

1202
00:45:13,670 --> 00:45:11,520
controlled crash because limps don't

1203
00:45:15,349 --> 00:45:13,680
really you know plow into a building and

1204
00:45:17,270 --> 00:45:15,359
destroy everything it's very slow and

1205
00:45:18,710 --> 00:45:17,280
methodical

1206
00:45:20,630 --> 00:45:18,720
they said these guys were lifetime

1207
00:45:22,150 --> 00:45:20,640
pilots near the blimp like you know the

1208
00:45:23,910 --> 00:45:22,160
inside of your house

1209
00:45:26,230 --> 00:45:23,920
no engine problems were with the blimp

1210
00:45:27,510 --> 00:45:26,240
there was no aeronautical issue and all

1211
00:45:28,710 --> 00:45:27,520
of a sudden these guys

1212
00:45:30,550 --> 00:45:28,720
were just gone

1213
00:45:32,870 --> 00:45:30,560
and so they searched for them off the

1214
00:45:35,670 --> 00:45:32,880
coast for three weeks

1215
00:45:37,270 --> 00:45:35,680
never found either man no man has ever

1216
00:45:38,230 --> 00:45:37,280
surfaced

1217
00:45:39,430 --> 00:45:38,240
now

1218
00:45:40,950 --> 00:45:39,440
there was

1219
00:45:43,589 --> 00:45:40,960
the

1220
00:45:47,270 --> 00:45:43,599
report initially

1221
00:45:51,190 --> 00:45:47,280
that they actually landed at another uh

1222
00:45:53,510 --> 00:45:51,200
base and were safe and and sound

1223
00:45:55,430 --> 00:45:53,520
yeah they there were multiple blimps

1224
00:45:56,870 --> 00:45:55,440
flying simultaneously they all took off

1225
00:45:58,470 --> 00:45:56,880
at once and they all came back and then

1226
00:46:01,270 --> 00:45:58,480
the new ones went out

1227
00:46:03,670 --> 00:46:01,280
and another one of the four that flew

1228
00:46:06,230 --> 00:46:03,680
that coast landed in another location

1229
00:46:08,630 --> 00:46:06,240
that was an understandable mistake but

1230
00:46:10,150 --> 00:46:08,640
still i didn't quite understand how they

1231
00:46:13,829 --> 00:46:10,160
can get that mixed up radio

1232
00:46:14,710 --> 00:46:13,839
transmissions you kind of know who's who

1233
00:46:16,710 --> 00:46:14,720
and

1234
00:46:20,069 --> 00:46:16,720
when you when you read through the facts

1235
00:46:22,550 --> 00:46:20,079
of the case as as i did in the book

1236
00:46:23,589 --> 00:46:22,560
um i am picturing

1237
00:46:25,910 --> 00:46:23,599
uh

1238
00:46:28,630 --> 00:46:25,920
law enforcement and civilians you know

1239
00:46:29,430 --> 00:46:28,640
approaching uh the blimp and going up

1240
00:46:30,790 --> 00:46:29,440
hope

1241
00:46:32,790 --> 00:46:30,800
thinking that they're gonna rescue

1242
00:46:34,950 --> 00:46:32,800
somebody right that there's somebody on

1243
00:46:37,270 --> 00:46:34,960
board and they go up and and there's

1244
00:46:39,349 --> 00:46:37,280
nobody flying this thing

1245
00:46:41,190 --> 00:46:39,359
now we've got a genuine mystery on our

1246
00:46:43,270 --> 00:46:41,200
hands where are the bodies bodies just

1247
00:46:44,470 --> 00:46:43,280
don't well technically

1248
00:46:45,510 --> 00:46:44,480
disappear

1249
00:46:49,190 --> 00:46:45,520
oh yeah

1250
00:46:51,030 --> 00:46:49,200
right i mean now that that's uh

1251
00:46:54,150 --> 00:46:51,040
that's pretty fascinating but they've

1252
00:46:55,349 --> 00:46:54,160
never been found to this day

1253
00:46:56,790 --> 00:46:55,359
nope

1254
00:46:58,230 --> 00:46:56,800
what do uh

1255
00:47:00,550 --> 00:46:58,240
do you think

1256
00:47:03,190 --> 00:47:00,560
okay if we're thinking logically here

1257
00:47:04,550 --> 00:47:03,200
this is what i was doing earlier

1258
00:47:07,030 --> 00:47:04,560
is that

1259
00:47:08,829 --> 00:47:07,040
do you think that they just jumped

1260
00:47:11,750 --> 00:47:08,839
do you think that they wanted to

1261
00:47:13,190 --> 00:47:11,760
disappear and

1262
00:47:15,349 --> 00:47:13,200
you know you know what i mean with that

1263
00:47:17,190 --> 00:47:15,359
this was intentional did they get in a

1264
00:47:19,589 --> 00:47:17,200
fight did they just

1265
00:47:21,829 --> 00:47:19,599
jump out and and fall into the ocean and

1266
00:47:26,069 --> 00:47:21,839
were eaten by sharks or is there

1267
00:47:30,790 --> 00:47:28,470
you know when uh i was in high school i

1268
00:47:33,349 --> 00:47:30,800
took scuba diving lessons got certified

1269
00:47:35,270 --> 00:47:33,359
when i was 14. right and we used to be

1270
00:47:36,870 --> 00:47:35,280
at the junior or the junior college at

1271
00:47:39,910 --> 00:47:36,880
de anza swimming pool and they had this

1272
00:47:41,990 --> 00:47:39,920
high diet and uh some of the guys said

1273
00:47:43,430 --> 00:47:42,000
hey dave you know we'll give you 20

1274
00:47:44,470 --> 00:47:43,440
bucks if you could jump off that high

1275
00:47:45,990 --> 00:47:44,480
dive

1276
00:47:49,829 --> 00:47:46,000
i thought about it i went up there and

1277
00:47:51,349 --> 00:47:49,839
it's it's really high jimmy right

1278
00:47:53,670 --> 00:47:51,359
you've got to have

1279
00:47:55,589 --> 00:47:53,680
you've got to be half nuts just to jump

1280
00:47:57,430 --> 00:47:55,599
off something like that to think that

1281
00:47:59,430 --> 00:47:57,440
somebody's going to jump out of the out

1282
00:48:00,630 --> 00:47:59,440
of a blimp over the ocean

1283
00:48:02,550 --> 00:48:00,640
they got to be

1284
00:48:03,910 --> 00:48:02,560
absolutely crazy

1285
00:48:06,069 --> 00:48:03,920
because the pacific ocean that

1286
00:48:07,750 --> 00:48:06,079
temperature runs between 48 and 54

1287
00:48:10,150 --> 00:48:07,760
degrees up off of san francisco you're

1288
00:48:11,670 --> 00:48:10,160
going to freeze to death that's right

1289
00:48:12,710 --> 00:48:11,680
that's right and they knew that they

1290
00:48:15,670 --> 00:48:12,720
knew that

1291
00:48:18,150 --> 00:48:15,680
so again you know w with uh every other

1292
00:48:20,069 --> 00:48:18,160
case like this that you write about you

1293
00:48:21,510 --> 00:48:20,079
know we have to scratch some things off

1294
00:48:23,829 --> 00:48:21,520
the list here

1295
00:48:27,030 --> 00:48:23,839
and one of them is these guys just

1296
00:48:29,270 --> 00:48:27,040
jumping out for a good time or or

1297
00:48:30,390 --> 00:48:29,280
or trying to run or trying to hide

1298
00:48:32,230 --> 00:48:30,400
you're not going to do that you're not

1299
00:48:34,150 --> 00:48:32,240
going to jump out over the pacific ocean

1300
00:48:36,549 --> 00:48:34,160
you're not going to you're gonna die so

1301
00:48:39,430 --> 00:48:36,559
we can take that off of the list but

1302
00:48:41,510 --> 00:48:39,440
their bodies weren't found on land

1303
00:48:44,309 --> 00:48:41,520
i i don't know this is uh this is a

1304
00:48:48,870 --> 00:48:44,319
mystery that's an amazing truly missing

1305
00:48:52,309 --> 00:48:49,829
david

1306
00:48:55,670 --> 00:48:52,319
yes yes i think you would agree

1307
00:48:59,109 --> 00:48:55,680
oh yes that's why i wrote about it

1308
00:49:02,230 --> 00:48:59,119
um when we come back um i'll prep you

1309
00:49:03,589 --> 00:49:02,240
for this again i i read through uh the

1310
00:49:06,710 --> 00:49:03,599
entire book

1311
00:49:09,990 --> 00:49:06,720
and there were a couple of cases in here

1312
00:49:12,950 --> 00:49:10,000
uh that i wanted to talk about and one

1313
00:49:14,630 --> 00:49:12,960
of them is the blyth yuma case

1314
00:49:18,069 --> 00:49:14,640
and the reason for that and we'll do it

1315
00:49:20,710 --> 00:49:18,079
when we come back um is that uh

1316
00:49:22,150 --> 00:49:20,720
everything that is represented in this

1317
00:49:24,630 --> 00:49:22,160
particular case

1318
00:49:26,630 --> 00:49:24,640
i'm familiar with i lived in pasadena

1319
00:49:29,109 --> 00:49:26,640
for years we have that aspect both of

1320
00:49:33,430 --> 00:49:29,119
these people were from pasadena we all

1321
00:49:35,349 --> 00:49:33,440
know about blyth and and yuma arizona uh

1322
00:49:37,510 --> 00:49:35,359
where this actually resolved we're gonna

1323
00:49:39,430 --> 00:49:37,520
do that when we come back but

1324
00:49:41,990 --> 00:49:39,440
i don't know if you know this david as

1325
00:49:43,510 --> 00:49:42,000
you were writing and investigating uh

1326
00:49:46,309 --> 00:49:43,520
this part of the book

1327
00:49:50,069 --> 00:49:46,319
did you know that there are

1328
00:49:53,589 --> 00:49:50,079
nazca type lines out there

1329
00:49:55,270 --> 00:49:53,599
in the desert between blyth and yuma

1330
00:49:59,670 --> 00:49:55,280
i heard about that one time but i never

1331
00:50:02,470 --> 00:49:59,680
got to confirm it yes oh they are there

1332
00:50:05,270 --> 00:50:02,480
now they're indigenous

1333
00:50:07,430 --> 00:50:05,280
right i know that you know somebody here

1334
00:50:09,910 --> 00:50:07,440
in north america made them we don't know

1335
00:50:12,069 --> 00:50:09,920
how old they are or what they represent

1336
00:50:13,589 --> 00:50:12,079
but they're ginormous and we have our

1337
00:50:16,549 --> 00:50:13,599
own nazca lines right here in north

1338
00:50:18,630 --> 00:50:16,559
america and i'm reading about this case

1339
00:50:20,470 --> 00:50:18,640
and where that plane ended up and it's

1340
00:50:21,990 --> 00:50:20,480
right there we'll discuss all of that i

1341
00:50:24,630 --> 00:50:22,000
know the audience just leaned forward

1342
00:50:26,549 --> 00:50:24,640
going what what what what did jimmy just

1343
00:50:27,910 --> 00:50:26,559
say we'll talk about all of that when we

1344
00:50:29,910 --> 00:50:27,920
come back our guest tonight david

1345
00:50:31,829 --> 00:50:29,920
politis i'm your host jimmy church this

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